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Little Fleischmann 4000 Diesel LEDs and DCC Decoder

Hi All, well I will show you what I have been struggling with/ working on

this little loco ready for a conversion to DCC and lighting , the original has no lighting.

 Reduced: 95% of original size [ 900 x 580 ] - Click to view full image

Firstly after pulling it apart , I made a little template of the lights



Then out with the Blu tack and some winding wire and SMDs
these are wired in series



Adding in the Blue and yellow wire time for a test



All works OK , I sandwiched the wiring and SMDs between two sheets of polycarbonate

for the other end I decided to try some thin card instead - less prone to heat damage and glue the polycarbonate to the back



The Test Loco , looks OK Now to do the real thing

Next I Modified the back plate with a dremmel cutting disc , isolating different sections. quite a few cuts are required.
The motor body has to be isolated from the brush holder .



I cut two more groves later to have an area to solder the blue white and yellow wire with their resistors.



All the wiring in place and then the Orange wire came out..,

I had another M4 decoder , so I had a look where the wire was supposed to be soldered to.

Cut open some of the heat shrink and re-soldered the Orange back in place with the help of a magnifying lens

Put it on the Programming track an all was OK
So a bit more shrink was added to the decoder



I drilled some small holes in the Red body



and the lights are are attached with double sided tape at each end of the chassis , the wires running over the top

I forgot to take a few photos , after the drama with the Orange wire.





The decoder sits nicely next to the motor



Just visible underneath

Motor Back Plate Info

Conversion of Fleischmann Locomotives to DCC digital control What is to be considered when converting locomotives generally and what characteristics do  Fleischmann  HO motors have for conversion ? Basic DCC Principals For controlling of locomotives with DCC digital decoders it is absolutely necessary, that the motor has no electrical connection to the body and power pickups of the locomotive. Fleischmann built in its earlier designed locomotives motors, a metal, grounded motor back plate. One of the bushes, in which the motors carbon brush sits in, is pressed directly into the metal motor back plate and that creates an electrical connection to the locomotive motor housing. Modern Fleischmann Motors have motor back plates , which can be made insulated by isolating a connection (conductive strip or electrical link). For the old, grounded motor back plates , new insulated back plates are available. That is, depending upon what the Locomotive has, as a Motor back plate, the back plate can be made insulated by isolating the conductive strip or electrical link or it must be exchanged for an insulated motor back plate Types of the motor back plate These are the conventional, grounded motor back plates with the following part numbers: 504701 504702 (metal or black) 504703 (Insulated version not available) 504704 504706 504707 504708 These must be always replaced with the insulated version. There is a way to make these DCC compatible, with a bit of difficulty (see page 10 on in my guide of Fleischmann Motor back plates - found in the "Illustrated Guide") Motor back plates, that can by cutting an electrical link be made isolated, have the part numbers: 504720 504704 (again) 504720 504713 (old version with electrical link) 504713 (new version with isolation) 504709 (with electrical link by wire) 504716 504722 By cutting the bridge or electrical link. Insulated motor back plates carry the numbers: 504750 504712 504721 504714 504710 504715 504715 (again, with isolation) 504714 504709 (again, without electrical link) 504717 504723 These are used, if the locomotive is equipped with a DCC digital interface and serve also as replacement part for the grounded motor back plates. What, how exchange or change? The following overview shows, which grounded motor back plates can be replaced, by motor back plates, which can be made insulated by isolating an electrical link, and/or which need a suitable, insulated back plate Grounded motor back plates Back plates, which can be made insulated by isolating an electrical link Insulated back plates 504701 (replace)   504750 504702 (replace) (metallic or black) 504720 (remove link) 504712 504721 504704 504704 (again) 504714 504706 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504710 (with separation) 504721 504707 504713 (remove link) (old version with electrical link) 504713 (remove link) (new version with isolation) 504715 504715 (again, with separation) 504708   504714   504709 (remove link) (with electrical link from wire) 504709 (remove link) (new without electrical link)   504716 (remove link) 504717   504722 (remove link) 504723 Catalog number of the Locomotive and original Motor back plate part no. In the following table has Fleischmann’s Catalog number of the Locomotive, which motor back (or back) plates were used. , Where different motor back plates were used, depending on manufacture date is also noted. Catalog Original Motor Back Plate Insulated Motor Back Plate 4063 504702 (replace) 504720 (remove link)   4064 504702 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504712/504721 4065 504706 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504710/504721 4077/78 504716 (remove link)   4080 504701 (replace) 504750 4086 504716 (remove link)   4092 504720 (remove link) 504710/504721 4093 504706 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504710/504721 4094 504706 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504710/504721 4095 504706 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504710/504721 4098 504720 (remove link)   4099 504720 (remove link)   4103 Engine insulated   4115 Engine insulated   4124 504702 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504712/504721 4125 504701 (replace) 504750 4138 504709 (remove link) [1]   4139 504709 (remove link) [1]   4140 504702 (replace) 504706 (replace) 504710/504721 504710/504721 4141 504702 (replace) 504706 (replace) 504710/504721 504710/504721 4142 504706 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504710/504721 4145 504701 (replace) 504702 (replace) 504750 504710/504721 4146 504701 (replace) 504702 (replace) 504750 504710/504721 4147 504701 (replace) 504702 (replace) 504750 504710/504721 4154 504720 (remove link)   4155 504720 (remove link)   4156 504709 (remove link) [1]   4157 504709 (remove link) [1]   4160 504706 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504710/504721 4161 504706 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504710/504721 4162 504709 (remove link) [1]   4164 504720 (remove link)   4165 504709 (remove link) [1]   4169 504713 (remove link)   4170 504701 (replace) 504702 (replace) 504706 (replace) 504750 504710/504721 504710/504721 4171 504713 (remove link)   4172 504706 (replace) 504710/504721 4173 504706 (replace) 504710/504721 4174 504713 (remove link)   4175 504701 (replace) 504702 (replace) 504706 (replace) 504750 504710/504721 504710/504721 4176 504709 (remove link) [1]   4177 504701 (replace) 504702 (replace) 504706 (replace) 504750 504710/504721 504710/504721 4178 504701 (replace) 504702 (replace) 504706 (replace) 504750 504710/504721 504710/504721 4179 504709 (remove link) [1]   4181 504713 (remove link)   4224 504701 (replace) 504750 4225 504701 (replace) 504750 4226 504701 (replace) 504750 4227 504701 (replace) 504750 4228 504713 (remove link)   4229 504713 (remove link)   4230 504701 (replace) 504713 (remove link) 504750 4231 504701 (replace) 504713 (remove link) 504750 4232 504704 504714 4233 504704 new (remove link)   4234 504704 504714 4235 504701 (replace) 504702 (replace) 504704 504750 504715 504714 4236 504701 (replace) 504702 (replace) 504750 504715 4237 504704 new (remove link)   4238 504704 new (remove link)   4239 504704 504714 4246 504702 (replace) 504706 (replace) 504710/504721 504710/504721 4247 504702 (replace) 504706 (replace) 504710/504721 504710/504721 4270 504701 (replace) 504750 4271 504701 (replace) 504750 4272 504701 (replace) 504750 4273 504701 (replace) 504750 4280 504701 (replace) 504750 4326 504713 (remove link)   4327 504713 (remove link)   4328 504713 (remove link)   4329 504713 (remove link)   4330 504701 (replace) 504750 4335 504701 (replace) 504750 4336 504701 (replace) 504750 4337 504701 (replace) 504750 4338 504701 (replace) 504750 4340 504702 (replace) 504706 (replace) 504710/504721 504710/504721 4341 504702 (replace) 504706 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504710/504721 504710/504721 4342 504702 (replace) 504706 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504710/504721 504710/504721 4343 504720 (remove link)   4345 504706 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504710/504721 4347 504713 (remove link)   4348 504707 504713 (remove link) 504715 4349 504707 504713 (remove link) 504715 4350 504707 504715 4351 504713 (remove link)   4352 504713 (remove link)   4365 504702 (replace) 504706 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504710/504721 504710/504721 4366 504702 (replace) 504706 (replace) 504710/504721 504710/504721 4367 504706 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504710/504721 4371 504701 (replace) 504750 4372 504701 (replace) 504750 4375 504702 (replace) 504710/504721 4376 504706 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504710/504721 4377 504706 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504710/504721 4378 504720 (remove link)   4380 504702 (replace) 504706 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504710/504721 504710/504721 4381 504702 (replace) 504706 (replace) 504710/504721 504710/504721 4382 504720 (remove link)   4399 504701 (replace) 504750 4400 504701 (replace) 504750 4401 504701 (replace) 504750 4430 504704 504714 4431 504704 new (remove link)   4434 504704 504714 4438 504704 new (remove link)   4440 504713 (remove link)   4450 504713 (remove link)   4460 504707 504715 4470 504708 504714   504706 (replace) 504720 (remove link) 504710/504721 4933 504704 504714 4938 504704 new (remove link)   [1] =newer locomotives with insulated back plate (green) The back plates 504713 and 504720 have a isolatable electrical link. With the change of the locomotive on DCC digital control they do not need to be exchanged. Locomotives, in which the back plate 50 47 02 and/or 50 47 06 is built, receive the back plate 50 47 20 with isolatable electrical link during the new production. Back plates made isolated by cutting the electrical link If you look through my conversions there aare a number of backplates that can be modified by simply cutting the link between the negative motor brush and the part of the PCB that is electrically linked to the motor body/chassis. Back Plates that can be modified with a bit more difficulty Fleischmann developed FMZ digital in 1986 and gradually all Locomotives were given some form of insulated backplate Back plates that are made with insulating material can be modified with a few cuts of a Dremel cut off wheel It is important to isolate the Motor brush holders from the body of the Motor and also from the central bearing on the back plate Pictures can be found in the "Illustrated Guide" on how to do this.